It will be thirty years ago this Friday, the Solemnity of the Birth of John the Baptist, that the Virgin Mary supposedly began appearing to six young people in a small Bosnian and Herzegovinian village called Medjugorje. Since then, 24 June 1981, millions of people from around the world have become devotees of the alleged Marian apparitions, whilst some of the young people involved have become very famous and wealthy. Despite active discouragement from the local Bishop of Mostar, Medjugorje has become a beacon of charismatic Catholicism and a place of pilgrimage for those seeking "signs and wonders." The Medjugorje phenomenon has also become one of the most controversial movements within the modern Catholic Church.It is therefore a shame that Rome is yet to give a definitive pronouncement on the events surrounding the movement dedicated to Our Lady of Medjugorje. Successive local Bishops have warned against the visions, even pointing to the blatant heresy contained in some of the revelations in which "Our Lady" claims that all religions are equally valid. The pronouncements from the Bishops of Mostar should have put an end to the matter, for it is the local Ordinary who has canonical jurisdiction to investigate such events. But, it seems that the local Franciscans, who run the parish of Medjugorje, encouraged their followers to ignore the Bishop of Mostar. The visionaries even claimed that Our Lady wanted people to reject the Church's legitimate authority. Because of these frictions caused by lack of obedience and open dissent on the local level, the Vatican was obliged to step in. It was only in March last year, though, that Pope Benedict XVI convened a commission led by Cardinal Camillo Ruini to definitively investigate the Medjugorje apparitions.
To add to the doubts concerning Medjugorje, Tomislav Vlašić, the Franciscan priest who acted as spiritual director to the seers and who was amongst the first to lead the campaign to have Medjugorje approved by the Church, was laicised a few years ago after having been investigated for "dubious doctrine, the manipulation of consciences, suspect mysticism and disobedience towards legitimately issued orders". He was also accused of sexual immorality with a nun, allegations which he had apparently covered up. As far as I'm concerned, these facts alone are enough to make me disbelieve in the heavenly aspect of the Medjugorje apparitions. As Donal A Foley (whom I once met on retreat at Mount Saint Bernard Abbey) seems to suggest in his Understanding Medjugorje: Heavenly Visions or Religious Illusions, there might even be something quite demonic behind the whole thing.
Another concerning aspect of the Medjugorje events is that, unlike most of the approved Marian apparitions, the Herzegovinian seers have received in excess of 40,000 so-called visions, with a few claiming that they continue to see Our Lady every day, even though they are well into their forties! Apparently, the visionaries also claim to have received over 50 "secrets", all of which seem to be apocalyptic - possibly designed to attract those addicted to curiosities and conspiracies. Also, unlike St Bernadette Soubirous (Lourdes), or Lúcia de Jesus dos Santos and Bl Jacinta and
Bl Francisco Marto (Fatima), the six visionaries of Medjugorje aren't really known for their humility or for choosing to live a life of heroic virtue. I don't think that any of the six have entered religious life or the priesthood and I believe that many travel the world to engage in lucrative speaking engagements. Also, I read a few years ago that one of the male seers apparently married a super-model and now lives quite a comfortable life in the US. Not the kind of thing St Bernadette would have done!
Of course, many argue that some good has come from the supposed visions at Medjugorje, and I would agree with them. There have been dramatic conversions of life and a few possible miracles of healing. But, God, of course, can bring good from any evil. As we know, other such charismatic and / or bizarre ecclesiastical groups, such as the Legionaries of Christ, have managed to bring Christ to some, despite the fact that the founders of these movements were evil or deranged - the founder of the Legionaries was one of the worst sexual abusers in the history of the Church! Needless to say, though, many Legionaries had their faith destroyed after it was revealed that their leader, Marcial Maciel, was a dangerous, sadistic and evil cultist. Satan often works through those who, like him, are vain and proud - the egotistical and the charismatic. He likes to tempt some so-called Christians with power and status, building them up only so that those who follow them will be confounded when their deceits are revealed.
As much as I admired Bl Pope John Paul II, I think it's right to conclude that his own charismatic qualities sometimes meant that he was taken in by others who were also very extrovert and mesmeric. It led him to support some bizarre movements, too, some of which have caused division within the Church - sects like the Legionaries or Miles Jesu, which seem to claim to be super-Catholic or appear to be mini-Churches within the Church. I believe that because of his devotion to Our Lady and his reliance on charismatics and the post-Vatican II charismatic movement, Pope John Paul II failed to act decisively concerning the Medjugorje "cult." He should have nipped the whole thing in the bud. But, just as good Pope Benedict XVI is now having to sort out the child abuse crisis left to him by his predecessor, he is also going to have to deal with the fallout that might result from any future Medjugorje-led rebellion.
Fratres, sobrii estote, et vigilate: quia adversarius vester diabolus tamquam leo rugiens circuit, quaerens quem devoret: cui resistite fortes in fide (1 Peter 5:8-9)Ss Thomas More and John Fisher, pray for us
[Image: St James's Church, Medjugorje; this photo has been released into the public domain by it's author, Mariusz Musiał; source: Wikimedia Commons]
23 comments:
or maybe, just maybe, the Church's approach is right and you are wrong; and maybe, just maybe, their information is more accurate than yours. Just maybe
Reluctant,
Good reliable sources of info on Medjugorje can be found here:-
Diane Korzienewski's extensive site -
http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com
The Bishop of Mostar's official site (English documents)
http://cbismo.com/index.php?menuID=98
Give up the sanctimonious Catholic shit Dylan. Today of all days it is not appropriate. Your not the Pope, not even close.
You pontificate, arrogantly lecturing and you know it all, well you think you do.
Not much sign of charity in the church today when the story broke about the Rosminians.
So, never mind the evils in Medjugorge, look at the evils closer to home, you have and always will be blinkered and very selective in what you post. By the way: The Guild...is pathetic it has fast become the Richard Collins show.
You are a very poor excuse for a man, a poor excuse for a Catholic!
May I - in charity and some attempt at humility - suggest that some of the theology in your post about Medjugorje is confused? To properly understand those events one also needs to remember contradictions that occurred elsewhere - e.g. La Salette. I don't want to get involved in a protracted discussion on all this - experience shows it is futile because the positions that have been adopted have become entrenched! I would just like to share one piece of information;
I knew a psychologist who had been asked ("unofficially" but none the less really)to investigate Medjugorje by Cardinal Hume. The psychologist, who I know quite well, told me some interesting things, but even though he saw some contradictions and still has doubts about some aspects of it all, is quite clear that Our Lady has appeared there (he has some experience in dealing with another visionary)and that the graces of the place are real. The complications - seemingly alarming to some - can be dealt with theologically and some of them, are, in any case, false. My own hope is that ALL the information will come out, in an unbiased way and that those who have been falsely accused of heresy and worse will be exonerated, just as those who have created confusion and allowed evil into the area by their misbehavior will be disciplined and led to repentance (whether they be in the parish or in the Bishop's offices)
There's no doubt in my mind that every sincere, orthodox Catholic must realise that this is the fruit of delusion or - more probably and at least in some of the six - fraud.
It just isn't Catholic.
At the same time, it is no surprise that the Church has awaited for an official word: **there is no requirement for Rome to do so** and the words of the bishops should actually be enough for anyone with a basic Catholic instruction.
The real shame here is that Rome thinks it must now move in the first place, as this says a lot about the level of poor instruction of many Catholics desperately in need of miracles, and not even able to see heresy when it is as big as the Eiffel Tower. They should spend their time instructing themselves about Catholic truth, rather than endorsing strange "movements" challenging it.
Mundabor
mundabor - for the sake of clarity could you please explain where the heresy lies? Apparently Hans Urs Von Balthsar - to mention only one - missed it.
Some interesting thoughts here.
You write:
"...the six visionaries of Medjugorje aren't really known for their humility or for choosing to live a life of heroic virtue."
Students of the mystical tradition would query "the (voluntary) choice of a life of heroic virtue".
Bernadette was very reluctant to become a nun and put under great pressure to do so.
Lucia dos Santos, a very feisty lady, felt her experience had laid a great responsiblity upon her which she did not always welcome.
To her doctor of many years she said that the deaths of Jacinta and Francisco-
"left me with the hot potato in my hands,” referring to her life-long task of spreading the messages Our Lady gave to them.
The very human attributes of the Medjugorje seers does not negate their experience. I'm sure you could list many saints and visionaries without the virtues we would hope to find in them at all times.
Father Abberton's attitude of open debate on these matters is helpful. His psychologist friend would perhaps find our need for "perfect" saints and seers a reflection of the imposing of impossible puritanical standards on ourselves.
I have exchanged e-mails with Donal Foley - He claims the six children (the seers) trained themselves to fall into trances to fool the scientists, doctors and investigators. He says medjugorje is a "prank" gone bad. At the same time he calls the whole thing diabolical. He has no proof of fraud or hoax.. he simply speculates.
One point I would like to make is that “conservative” Catholics seem to have a tendency to fall prey to cults of personality . Both marciel and Corapi were both demanding “my mother (Mary) wears combat boots” orthodox conservative catholics with charismatic personalities. In contrast the “seers” of Medjugorje remind everyone that they are simple people like the rest us. They simply say “We see what we see”
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I am concerned about the presence of abusive anonymous material appearing lately which seems motivated by envy.
The Comment Box is surely for observations and debate on the issues raised in the post.
A reader may agree wholeheartedly with the post or profoundly dispute your opinions. Such comment is very challenging and worth-while.
Facts which support or contradict your findings are welcomed by readers but personal attack is not.
There are other blogs available for this sort of abuse.
The concept of a collective blog, a guild or association which you initiated is "a work in progress" as you stated.
It has been interesting to watch the rivalries and resentments develop. Whether it will prove possible to forge any long-term cooperative bonds when Catholic infighting is so endemic remains to be seen.
@ Liz
Thank you.
From what I've heard there's been an increase in this sort of thing of late. I feel sorry for the person who is compelled to do such things, and am quite convinced that they are but unwitting workers for a being probably unknown to them. Prayer, as ever, is the answer.
Whenever I seem to write about things that involve evil or the enemy of mankind, some pretty nasty things are sent to my comments box or email. Most of them get deleted.
Having said that, I am also aware of my own weaknesses and the fact that many people find me difficult or just don't "get" me. This might be something to do with a fault in my personality or in subconsciously or consciously wanting to be rejected. A therapist once suggested this.
So, for that reason I am considering the future of this blog. The last thing I want it to be is a stumbling block to faith or a scandal to those searching for the truth or the God of love.
As for anonymous comments, I decided a couple of weeks ago that I'd never respond to them, especially if they seem to be from people who either know me or refer to me by name. People who comment in that kind of way are probably not worth engaging with, sadly.
"considering the future of this blog"?
WHATEVER DO YOU MEAN!
If you were ever a reader and commenter before you became a blogger you must have seen how people use the Comment Box with their own agenda, sometimes simply for the sadistic power to hurt others verbally.
The better the post the more it infuriates.
Remember in the playground we were told not to let the bullies see they have affected you. It applies to blogs too.
You raise issues that matter and these arouse either admiration or hostility. Most commenters are complete strangers.
Never take it personally.
Your enthusiasm is so very contagious. You have high expectations and must be easily disappointed.
I dread to think what you receive that has to be deleted so vigorously but, sleep easy, you are secure, surrounded by prayer.
I am away again, but I do not wish to find you gone on my return.
DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR! xxx
LOL
Thank you, Liz
Message received, loud and clear ;-)
Medjugorje is the fulfillment of Fatima.
I believe Medjugorje is one of many deceits the enemy is using to divide the Church. If and when the Church declares Medjugorje to not be supernatural in nature--definitively--then a great many solidly Catholic souls, I fear, will be lost.
Fr. Corapi's departure from his true nature (the Holy Order of Priesthood) is another event that I am afraid will lead to the loss of many souls.
It seems we're in an era of this sort of bait and switch demonic activity. Perhaps we're getting closer to that prophecy of Our Lord, when, in contemplating His return, He wonders if there will be any faith left on Earth.
Fr John Abberton,
the heresy is in the disobedience to the Church and to the Church's teaching.
"Vicka the seer is asked "If the Lady said this, and the Pope says that they cannot..." Vicka answers: "The Pope can say what he wants. I'm telling it as it is." "
June 21, 1983: The Virgin states: "Tell the Father Bishop (Zanic) that I request his urgent conversion to the events of the Medjugorje parish...I am sending him the penultimate warning. If he is not converted, or will not be converted, my judgment as well as that of my Son Jesus will strike him." (Seer Ivanka writing to Bishop Zanic)
"Each one's religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children." (Kraljevic, p.68)
The Virgin: "I do not dispose of all graces...Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary." (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
These are just some examples taken from here:
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/medjugo.html
This site may be more or less credible here and there; but the information herein contained follows a pattern I have read several times, in the last years, on very well researched sites.
I am afraid, though, that you will have to do your research yourself, as I have neither time nor inclination to do it for you.
The very fact that here people claim to speak to the Blessed Virgin on an almost daily basis, when even the apparitions in Fatima were very few in number and very short in message, should let any thinking Catholic reflect very hard.
Von Balthasar is, obviously, neither here nor there.
Mundabor
Nothing like the M word to get the comboxes fizzing! I've found Benedict Groeschel's short book "A Still, Small Voice: A Practical Guide On Reported Revelations" (Ingatius Press 1993) full of gentle wisdom and good sense on the subject and would recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it.
Is this "heresy" as "big as the Eiffel tower"?
The first quote is not heresy, nor is it disobedience, just an honest reply. It is not disrespectful to the Pope or to Church authority, though, if you want to, I suppose you can read that into it (but wouldn't that run the danger of rash judgement?).
The second one is something I have not heard before, so I will check on that. However, it is not heresy, whatever else it looks like.The third one is the oft misunderstood and misrepresented charge that the "apparition" said all religions are equal. The statement you quote does not say that, nor, to my knowledge was that ever said.
The fourth one is also something I have not seen before, so I will check on that also. Is it heresy in any case? Well, Our Lady's mediation is inextricably bound up with Christ's and does not exist without it. What is the context of the statement? That is also important.
Apart from one which troubles me - I admit - but need to check, your examples are poor and do not match the OTT statement you make above.
As regards the number of "messages" or apparitions being a counter sign, this is purely an opinion. No "rule" book has been issued for the Almighty concerning His behavior regarding apparitions. If He wants to he can repeat Himself as often as He likes (and sometimes does). Who are you - or who is anyone else - to say how many apparitions there should be or whether something should be repeated once or a hundred times. These questions are purely theories and suggestions put forward by those who would like to see all apparitions follow some kind of satisfactory format. I regard this as dangerous presumption.
Having said all that, there ARE questions to be asked, but your reply is of little help.
"My own hope is that ALL the information will come out, in an unbiased way".
Thank you Father John Abberton. Those are the words we wish to hear on this subject.
Regards.
I have searched the messages and this is the closest I have come to the one Mundabor quotes regarding Our Lady's mediation;
August 31, 1982
"I do not dispose all graces. I receive from God what I obtain through prayer. God has placed His complete trust in me. I particularly protect those who have been consecrated to me. The great sign has been granted. It will appear independently of the conversion of the people."
I searched for the line; "Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to Him...";
it does not occur in any of the archived messages, so I am wondering where it came from. A reference date would be appreciated.
I hope this post is accepted in the interests of fair debate and a sincere search for the truth.
@ Fr. John Abberton and Reluctant Sinner
Very interesting. An attempt to see what is going on rather than dismiss it all as hoax or demonic.
We must allow God to be God you seem to be saying Father. The Spirit blows where it will.
Remember the reaction of the disciples at the Transfiguration, trying to interpret it in the light of their own understanding of the Hebrew scriptures.
We also are trying to understand in the light of scripture and Church teaching. But Our Lord, the creator God who is Love, keeps us in being from moment to moment and finds new ways of caring and communicating both individually and collectively. The mystics of the Church have shown us that.
I, for one, welcome those who keep an open mind on these matters.
I have been to Medjugorje 3 times. I have personally witnessed astonishing and unexpected phenomena. Whatever is going on, it is definitely NOT play acting by the 'seers'. Something supernatural is occurring. I am disturbed by some of the events and aspects to these events but Satan could be relied on being 'hot on the heels' of his great adversary. All I can say is that my temper appears to become inoperative for weeks following a visit and there have been other, longer term, spiritual benefits that continue.
well well what do we have here a whole lot of confusion, dear fr john you as a padre should go to lourdes and proclaim your experience and document it on this blog or any of they other approved appirations you fr are under the direction and obedience of the POPE and you should hold your tongue, until he has conviend his investigation and made it open to the public. so being a priest of the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, and with the mind GOD gave you, you see all the dissent and confusion here and the POPE is trying to do a job in discerening what is the truth, let HIM do his job and you should keep silent at this time and be obeident,as all HOLY PRIEST ARE, it is a true sign obeidence is one of the hardest things to live by when you take vows and even a lay person , obeidence is the things that breaks us everytime except for the saints who seem to persever threw it all like padre pio , bernadette, and numerous others they listened to there superiors or the church, that is the key look at those who have completely turned a deaf ear to there superiors not one superior but numerous. i rest my case.
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