Whilst speaking with a well-regarded priest yesterday, I asked him why there was no provision for Old Rite Masses in his central London parish. He told me quite frankly that he feared that some of those attracted to the ancient form of the Roman Rite were prone to anti-Semitism and right-wing extremism, which implied that he thought the usus antiquior of the Catholic Church encourages vile forms of hatred! Needless to say, I told the priest in question that I felt his comments were in fact based on prejudice and irrational thinking, adding that my experience of traditional Catholicism bore no resemblance to his perception - in fact, I would have thought there were more people prone to anti-Semitism amongst those who attend novus ordo Masses than amongst devotees of the Old Rite.
After explaining to the priest in question that many young Catholics are thirsting for their ancient Catholic heritage, and that numbers of young people attending the Church's ancient liturgy is on the rise, he agreed to consider celebrating the extraordinary form of the Mass in his parish - with the proviso that I act as server! He also seemed to accept that he was wrong to suggest that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite somehow led to anti-Semitism or to a tendency to accept right-wing conspiracies. In fact, he admitted that it was probably more correct to say that people from certain nations or cultures are more susceptible to certain prejudices than to believe that those from different forms of the Catholic Church's liturgical tradition tend towards certain types of irrational hatred.
Having said all that, it was sad to come across yet another rant against the Jews (and the Pope) by the SSPX Bishop Richard Williamson, published on his Eleison Comments last Saturday. According to the World Jewish Congress, Williamson has "[lashed] out against the Jews again." Although the SSPX bishop's latest comments are no-where near as bad as his denial of the existence of the Nazi gas chambers, they are bound to cause controversy as well as embarrassment to Pope Benedict XVI.
In his recent blog post, Williamson seemed to be reiterating the belief that Our Lord's crucifixion was "deicide". But he went on to say that, "only the Jews (leaders and people) were the prime agents of the deicide because it is obvious from the Gospels that the Gentile most involved, Pontius Pilate, would never have condemned Jesus to death had not the Jewish leaders roused the Jewish people to clamour for his crucifixion" (emphasis mine). Williamson also wrote that, "Pope Leo XIII considered there to be a real solidarity between the Jews clamouring then for Jesus to be killed and the collectivity of Jews of modern times. Did he not in his Act of Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus have the entire Church, from the end of the 19th century onwards, pray to God that he turn his 'eyes of mercy towards the children of that race, once God’s chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Saviour; may it now descend upon them a laver (i.e. washing) of redemption and life'" (emphasis mine).
Of course, Williamson forgot to mention the important - very important - fact that all human beings share in the collective guilt and responsibility for Our Lord's death. Jesus died as an atonement for the sins of every person, from the beginning of time to the world's very end. To emphasise the role of those Jewish men and women who called for Christ's Crucifixion over and above our own guilt could lead to a theology which teaches that the effects of the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus can only be exclusively claimed by members of one race. Bizarrely, it would seem that blaming the Jews alone for the Crucifixion lessens the universal and timeless nature of Christ's Sacrifice. In that sense, the theology of blame, which seems to be one that the SSPX bishop is comfortable with, cancels out the theology of grace and makes a mockery of the fact that Christ died for Jews and Greeks alike. If only some members of the human race are responsible for the death of the Lamb, then it stands to reason that only some (the same ones) can be saved by his Sacrifice.
It would also appear that Williamson seems to have misunderstood where Pope Leo XIII was coming from when he said, "may [the Blood of Christ] ... now descend upon [the Jews as] a laver (i.e. washing) of redemption and life." Surely, the Pope was merely asking God to grant the same grace to the (non-Christian) Jews that those Gentiles (and Christian Jews) "smeared with the Blood of the Lamb" (to paraphrase St John Chrysostom) have enjoyed since the effects of the Cross were made manifest. When the Jews present at the trial of Christ cried out "may his blood be on us and on our children" (cf Mt 27:25), they weren't condemning themselves, but were actually (unbeknown to them) pleading to be "washed in the blood of the Lamb" (cf Rev 7:14). They were therefore securing their own salvation, and were already being absolved from the Cross: "Father, forgive them for they know not what the do" (Lk 23:34).
Many people consider Bishop Richard Williamson to be a rather odd and unpleasant fellow. I know some members and former members of the SSPX who really do not like him. He is a man - although having never been a representative of the Roman Catholic Church - who seems to have brought scandal to the Church by his controversial words, especially when talking or writing about the Holocaust and the Jewish people. As Pope Benedict XVI has said of him, "Williamson is an atypical case in that he was, when you think about it, never Catholic in the proper sense. He was an Anglican and then went over directly to Lefebvre. This means that he has never lived in the great Church, that he has never lived with the Pope" (emphasis mine - Light of the World, Ignatius 2010, pp 121 - 122). He is not typical of the SSPX, even if others within that group sometimes seem prone to eccentricity and appear to revel in disobedience to the Successor of St Peter.
Pope Benedict XVI has also said, whilst discussing the lifting of Williamson's excommunication, "If I had known [that Bishop Williamson denied the existence of the Nazi gas chambers], the first step would have been to separate the Williamson case from the others. Unfortunately, though, none of us went on the Internet to find out what sort of person we were dealing with" (emphasis mine - Light of the World, p 121).
Sadly, it seems that some Jewish organisations, possibly because they lack a proper knowledge of the Catholic Church or because of the painful memories of the 1930s and 40s, have over-reacted to Richard Williamson's most recent rant. Maybe they do not realise that Williamson does not have many supporters, even within the SSPX? Indeed, it seems that the other bishops within the Society of St Pius X have often distanced themselves from their rather maverick brother.
According to the World Jewish Congress, in response to Williamson's blog post, "the president of the Conference of European Rabbis, Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt, called on Pope Benedict XVI to halt the Vatican talks with 'extremist' Catholic groups such as the SSPX." Rabbi Goldschmidt is quoted as having said, "Comments like these take us back decades to the dark days before there was a meaningful and mutually respectful dialogue between Jews and Roman Catholics.” Other members of the Jewish faith have also called for an end to talks between the Holy See and the SSPX. The Chief Rabbi of Moscow saying, "There must be no rapprochement within the Catholic Church for those of its flock who seek to preach words of hate."
But, as Pope Benedict XVI himself has pointed out, Williamson is "atypical" of the SSPX; and is definitely at odds with the "great Church" of which he has very little experience. Although I can understand the fears that these Jewish spokesmen must have, I must say that I think it might be better if they were to totally ignore Williamson's seemingly obsessive and rather vile comments - he really is not worth bothering with. The Holy See definitely seems unhappy with him, and the Pope even appears to regret having lifted the excommunication against him in the first place. It also seems that the other SSPX leaders are rather fed up with this rather eccentric bishop of theirs. His utterances offer no grounds at all for the Holy See to halt its desire to work for the Society of St Pius X's full reconciliation to the universal Church. His comments might offer grounds, though, for the Vatican to insist that "the Williamson case" (as the Pope has called it) be dealt with as a separate issue from the on-going talks between it and the SSPX.
I have noticed that a very tiny minority of extreme traditionalists, usually those who have rejected the authority of Rome, can appear to be obsessed with conspiracy theories usually involving Masonic Lodges and / or the Jews. Obviously, this form of lunacy or hatred has no place within sane, rational and loving Christianity. In my experience, though, most of these troubled souls are not really interested in the Old Rite and the ancient liturgy of the Church, rather they tend to come from cultures or nations with a long history of anti-Semitism or Masonic interference.
Although I have come across a very small amount of anti-Semitic Catholics in my lifetime, it's true to say that most of them were from the European Continent, and that nearly all of them seemed to be attendees of the Mass of Paul VI. Therefore, to smear all traditional Catholics as anti-Jewish or as nutty conspiracy theorists is not only quite disgusting, but is totally unjust - it is just as vile as any other form of ill-informed prejudice. The reality is that most Catholics - New and / or Old Rite - do not hate their fellow human beings; hating and / or judging others is completely contrary to the Christian way of life. It is evil to hate another human being, or to hate anything or anyone created by God. Those people who call themselves Catholic, but actually seem to be cultural-Christians at best, and who use the faith as a means to hate others, can and often do cause grave scandal.
It is immensely frustrating to know that some so-called liberals in the Church are convinced that those who love tradition are probably nutty or prejudiced. It is also quite bothersome for the Catholic Church to have to deal with the likes of Williamson - who has no active or official ministry within the Roman Catholic Church, even if he is an ordained bishop. The reality is that many traditional Catholics take their faith very seriously, and strive to be loving witnesses to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In fact, there are far more examples of prejudice amongst those who worship only within the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite than amongst those who prefer the older Rites of the Catholic Church. One of the most invidious prejudices, which is often to be found amongst "liberals" who are deeply attached to the Mass of Paul VI, is the one that seems to presume that all traditionalists are hateful eccentrics. As Pope Benedict XVI has said, even amongst the SSPX, men like Williamson are completely "atypical". He, and others like him, should be ignored. They scandalise traditional Catholicism, as well as Church as a whole.
Not that I have become perfect yet: I have not yet won, but I am still running, trying to capture the prize for which Christ Jesus captured me. I can assure you my brothers, I am far from thinking that I have already won. All I can say is that I forget the past and I strain ahead for what is still to come; I am racing for the finish, for the prize to which God calls us upwards to receive in Christ Jesus. (Phil 3:13-14)
Thursday, 20 October 2011
The Vatican might have to act over Bishop Williamson's most recent comments on the Jewish people - Anti-Semitism is anathema to the vast majority of traditional Catholics
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Bishop Williamson has done untold damage to the Catholic cause and to the SSPX.His superior should have removed him from the public arena years ago.
If you have succeeded in securing another regular Mass in Westminster Diocese Dylan you have surely won your crown!
Please come and do the same exercise in Menevia.
Thank you for a very thoughtful and prudent analysis of Bishop Williamson.
I heartily concur with your opinion.
Br. Anselm.
@ Richard
Thank you. I agree. Maybe Bishop Fellay will now act?
@ Shadowlands
Thank you. I am sorry if you feel I was being too critical of those liberals attached to the Ordinary Form. I was frustrated with the fact that one of them seemed happy to accuse all traditionalists with being anti-Semitic.
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Thank you Br Anselm. Your words are very much appreciated.
You poor lost souls. Do you really believe that His Lorship Bishop Williamson is a trouble maker because he states what the Church has always stated (at the very least until 1965) that the Jews commited the act of deicide?
If Jesus was God, and He was, and the Jews called for His death, that is in fact deicide.
Try reading your bibles and then make an attempt to get your head out of the sand and TRY being a true Catholic. All you have said above is nothing more than cowerdice.
The GOSPEL of Saint John:
Jesus answered: Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above. Therefore, he that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin. [12] And from henceforth Pilate sought to release him. But the Jews cried out, saying: If thou release this man, thou art not Caesar's friend. For whosoever maketh himself a king, speaketh against Caesar. [13] Now when Pilate had heard these words, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat, in the place that is called Lithostrotos, and in Hebrew Gabbatha. [14] And it was the parasceve of the pasch, about the sixth hour, and he saith to the Jews: Behold your king. [15] But they cried out: Away with him; away with him; crucify him. Pilate saith to them: Shall I crucify your king? The chief priests answered: We have no king but Caesar.
[14] "The parasceve of the pasch"... That is, the day before the paschal sabbath. The eve of every sabbath was called the parasceve, or day of preparation. But this was the eve of a high sabbath, viz., that which fell in the paschal week.
[16] Then therefore he delivered him to them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him forth. [17] And bearing his own cross, he went forth to that place which is called Calvary, but in Hebrew Golgotha. [18] Where they crucified him, and with him two others, one on each side, and Jesus in the midst. [19] And Pilate wrote a title also, and he put it upon the cross. And the writing was: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. [20] This title therefore many of the Jews did read: because the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, in Greek, and in Latin.
What a surprise! You certainly would not want the truth published. That is understandable considering the fear factor which rules you.
Mrs. Anderson
@ Mrs Anderson
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@ A Reluctant Sinner
Well done Dylan YOU have taken action, and I'm sure that Rome will follow.
Hitler stole the 'Olympic Dream' at the Berlin Games and as we as contemporary Europeans must ensure that history does not repeat itself in 2012. The SHADOW of the Third Reich, which lasted just 12 years, still generates it's evil malevolent influence:
'Pinko Duke
Your time is precious the clampdown is coming.
SS 33 The Watcher '
The above calling card was sent to my family home in Our Lady of the Rosary's Parish of Blackfen, Sidcup in the London Borough of Bexley prior to my individual FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) evidence, that I gave alongside Yre (Youth against racism in Europe), at the Crayford Inquiry in 1995.
I had already given a copy of the critical anti-Nazi Regina v Hobson 1991 trial manuscript to the London Borough of Bexley's Strategic Planning and Development Department at Wyncham House in Sidcup . The subject in focus at the Crayford Inquiry was the BNP Bookshop/HQ in Welling. The Oklahoma bomb exploded to coincide with the case for the defence and as an evil reminder of the international networking nature of the NAZI BEAST.
When I questioned the NF leader and BNP founder John Tyndall (succeeded as Chairman by Nick Griffin in September 1999) at the Crayford Inquiry about his spurious Holocaust denials and wicked lies he completely folded under my examination and the NF/BNP HQ in Welling was subsequently closed down by the Government.
On Thursday 21st July 2011, both James Cleverly AM for Bexley & Bromley and Roy Hobson visited the exhibition at Erith library detailing the Thames Gateway City Challenge development proposals for Bexley College. James Cleverly and Roy Hobson also both attended the Mayor's Talk London event at Bexleyheath School, Kent DA6 7DA on the same evening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHVSVaiw09w
Nick Griffin MEP's one time Police Spokesman sic for the BNP Michael Barnbrook was working the door at Talk London event with a petition. Roy Hobson opposed Barnbrook's insane Euro HATEGEI$T propaganda & he went inside to work the debate room. Roy gave the new Bexley Borough Police Commander Dave Stringer a hard copy of case details relating to his individual FOOTBALL AGAINST RACISM IN EUROPE 1991-2011 Thames City Challenge development work that the former MP for Erith & Thamesmead John Austin had referred to the Home Secretary before he retired.
Erith library was closed on Friday 22nd July because of a malevolent criminal attack which forced the high profile exhibition detailing the Thames Gateway City Challenge development proposals for Bexley College out on to the street, and into Erith Riverside Centre. The neo-Nazi attacks on the people of Oslo in Norway the very same day compounded the extreme mental distress suffered by Roy Hobson for opposing extreme right wing planning for real, on Thursday 21st & Friday 22nd July as a Londoner, and a citizen of Europe too.
Our Lady of the Rosary pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
Standing on Truth always gets you in trouble with Lucifer and his henchmen.
The cowards on the sidelines always will shout "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"
Then they will choose Barabbas.
Everytime.
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An excellent analysis of this delusional individual. We must pray for him.
I have always felt a certainty that between the Church of Christ and the people chosen by Christ there is a mysterious bond that nothing can sever. God wished us to be bound together with the luminous throngs who are called Mary, Peter, Paul and John. They were of Our Lords own blood; we who Love them cannot forget that they were Hebrews. Didn't Our Beloved Blessed Pope John Paul II call them our "Elder Brothers" and was the first Vicar of Christ to enter their Synagogue? In Our Lords human form, did He not descend from Abraham and from David? Was not the Mother who nursed him a Jewess? Were the Jews not the first to listen to Him, follow Him, and believe in Him? At that time there lived hundreds of peoples, and Christ could have chosen any of them as His own. But He Loved the unhappy, the scorned, the persecuted, and the oppressed, so He wished to be born among the Hebrews because they were the most scorned, oppressed by foreigners, ridiculed and hated more than any other people. The Old Testament, is crowded with "images" of Christ. I believe that if the Christian Church is the Body of Christ, then the people before Christ are the Prophetic Body of Christ. The bonds with the Jews are innumerable and still visible. There is a thin cloud which seperates us from the Jews. If they should come into our Churches and Cathedrals they will hear the most heart-rending and jubilant psalms. They will hear us pronounce with devoted joy the words or their Fathers' language, Hosanna, Allelulia, Amen. They will hear us mention their most famous Patriarchs, Prophets, and Kings which will always be numbered and venerated among our Dear Saints.
We must condemn all persecutions, and in particular the ones directed at the chosen people of Christ, even from the few individuals within our Church.
Bishop Williamson again like anti-semites have for centuries, calls Jews Christ-Killers. It's almost an oxymoron. I have these questions: 1. If Jesus was not killed by crucifixion or otherwise, would there be Christianity, and who would have died for Christians' sins? Wasn't Jesus' killing pre-ordained. Didn't the person or persons responsible do Christians a favor? 2. Didn't Jesus say, "forgive them father, for they know not what they do"?. If Jesus forgave his killers, isn't it wrong for a Christian not to forgive his killers. Doesn't Jesus repeatedly teach forgiveness. 3. It seems a handful of Jewish leaders urged the Romans to crucify Jesus. Why? They felt threatened by Jesus. Why? Because Jesus was so popular among the Jewish people. They didn't hate him, they loved him. They started to follow Jesus' teachings and reject a lot of the leaders instruction. That made Jesus a threat to be disposed of. I believe that a major percentage of Jews then loved Jesus. The gospels were written much later to influence Romans, and they used Jews as a favorite scapegoat. Should all Jews be blamed for the Jewish leaders who urged the Romans to kill Jesus? If so, wouldn't that include the disciples and all of Jesus followers at that time, who were all Jews? All Christians at the beginning of the religion, were Jews. 4. Isn't Christianity built on Judaism? such as monotheism, and Judeo-Christian ethics. If you attack the source of your religion, or its creators, aren't you undercutting your own religion? 5. Were the first Christians, who were Jews, bad,and therefore bad Christians, but as soon as gentiles became Christians, they became the good Christians? Jesus was a Jew--but he wasn't bad, only other Jews? Isn't there some hypocrisy in all this? 6. Is it Christian to blame people living today, in 2011, for Jesus' crucifixion over 2,000 years ago? 7. Didn't the Vatican clearly state that Jews are not to be held accountable as killers of Jesus. Surely Catholics should follow this declaration. 8. Christians killed Jews for centuries--pogroms, massacres, crusades, exile, confiscation of their property. They also grossly mistreated Jews, forcing them into ghettos, prohibiting them from owning land or engaging in numerous trades or professions. Do Jews today blame Christians today for the sins of their forefathers? No. Does this mean that Jews are more Christian than their Christian neighbors?
Isn't time for Christians to start acting like Christians, and to bury the old label of Christ-killer for Jews.
Arnold Handelman
Mr Parry:
I am not qualified to pronounce on Bishop Williamson's political views regarding the exact numbers of people who suffered under totalitarian regimes during the Second World War. That is best left for competent historians.
But I certainly can comment not on this Bishop's prudence but on the accuracy of his statements relating to Catholic teaching on the subject of the Jews. I have read the column and find nothing in it that does not tally with a consistent and unchanging view of this matter held by the Catholic Church for 2,000 years. That the modernists in Rome and some ill-informed Catholics would like these teachings to be swept under the carpet is something that is obvious. That has been sadly clear for 35 years now. I don't want to bog down this response with a number of quotes from the likes of St Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Ignatius, St Alphonsus Maria Liguori, St Padre Pio and other luminaries who teach precisely the same things that this Bishop does, but if you would like me to do so I will.
An anti-semite is a person who has hatred for Jews as Jews, and this is condemned by the Church. On the other hand fighting Jewish naturalism which seeks to replace Christ and deify their own people is something Catholics must do. The salvation of Jews is at stake here. We do them no good by refusing to let them know that they must abandon their false teachings and their pride and come to the Church founded by Christ.
That is practicing true charity towards these people. It is also practicing charity towards them to remind them what the Church has always taught about them. Vatican 2 and all that flowed from it cannot trump 2,000 years of teaching and tradition and those who hold up Vatican 2 as some sort of "super Council" that changed the Catholic world are deluding themselves.
Pray for this Bishop. And pray for the conversion of the Jews.
The Bishop is right, Dylan is wrong. When we reach the point where the constant teaching of the Church over 2000 years is attacked by Catholics, then it is quite clear that a new religion is being preached far and wide, and the time of persecution of Catholics has come, not only outside, but inside the Church.
There are many things Bishop Williamson has written with which I do not agree.
His clear and forthright reiteration of the True Faith on the question of the deicide (and what else can it have been, since it was God Who died?) is certainly not one of them.
@ Rick
And the Pope is right / wrong?
Deicide is not really in question.
The question is: are we all responsible for Our Lord's Crucifixion or is it only the Jews who are to be blamed.
Our common guilt is by far the majority Catholic teaching since the 1st Century to the present day. Blaming the Jews alone, whilst seemingly denying that our own sins cry Crucify Him is a minority opinion which has never ever been officially taught by the Church. You might find the odd saint or pope to back you up, but I can definitely find far more saints and popes on my side.
a) Williamson is hardly "inside the Church"
b) His defence of "Catholic teaching" seems obsessive when it comes to supposed teachings that have it in for the Jews.
c) He doesn't seem to be able to place his defence of teachings in the proper context
d) As a traditional Catholic, who is often maligned by modernists, I can tell you this: be careful that you do not turn your love of tradition into a form of idolatry.
" In fact, there are far more examples of prejudice amongst those who worship only within the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite than amongst those who prefer the older Rites of the Catholic Church."..Dear me!
Well said Dylan. I agree with you.
Williamson preaches a mutilated form of Christianity, its a shame that a small band of individuals listen to him and not the illumination of Christianity preached by the Holy Father.
Anne
@ Anne
Thank you.
It can definitely be a problem when an obsession with something or against something becomes a primary motivation for our faith. As you say, it mutilates our Christianity at best; or destroys it at worst.
Dylan:
"Deicide" is precisely in question. It is the term "deicide" for which Bishop Williamson is specifically excoriated by the rabbis, who demand that he be excommunicated from the catholic Church for, again, truthfully reporting the death of the Son of God ("deicide").
Bishop Williamson does not blame "the Jews alone" for this deicide- how could he? He is faithfully reporting what Scripture teaches, and what the Church believed for 2,000 years, which is that Christ, the Messiah of Israel, was put to death on the impetus of the Temple authorities, who bear the guilt for this sin. The truth is that the Bible insists that the Jews consented in this deicide, and that within a generation the Temple would be destroyed (which it was).
Now since I have already stated that there are many things Bishop Williamson has written with which I do not agree (that would be, those things he has written which do not comport with the Faith once delivered), it would seem to be an indication of the weakness of your position that you must first misrepresent Bishops Williamson as saying "the Jews alone" are responsible for the death of Christ (he never said it), and that you must then go searching for Popes and Councils who deny what Bishop Williamson never said in the first place.
Can you provide a specific citation of Bishop Williamson's piece which denies a syllable of Catholic teaching?
I would certainly be willing to reconsider if you were able to do this.
I have publicly and privately opposed Bishop Williamson in the past when he
wrote something contrary to the Faith.
I will never, please God, oppose him for writing something in harmony with it.
The same logic people use to defend jews are the illogical arguments some atheists will use to defend Judas. "Would there have been Christianity without Judas? No? Then how is he a bad guy?" And so on.
Fact is, jews did kill God. That is plain fact, but yes, they also killed God as a people. Sure, they acted as representatives for the whole world, but they still killed their God in a very real sense as israelites, the people of God. I beat my chest and pray God to forgive the jews for what they did as I also beat my chest for having nailed Him to the Cross. There is no contradiction.
Williamson is not a trained historian. If he keeps popping off about the Holocaust, the SSPX mst publically rebuke him by exposing his lack of training in historical research. Stephen E Dalton
Why, Mr. Dalton, I was not aware that differences of opinion in historical research constituted grounds for excommunication.
I am also quite sure that Bishop Williamson wrote not a syllable about the holocaust in the piece which is the subject of this blogpost.
Is it possible that some Catholics mean to attempt to impose a pseudo-dogma upon their fellows, concerning the Holocaust?
I should think such an attempt would surely founder, since any such pseudo-dogma surely does not proceed from Scripture or Tradition.....
@Rick
If you look at my comment you will see that Catholics here in London are also taking a leaf out of the Blessed Titus Brandsma's book by opposing the very real threat posed to ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE by neo-Nazis like Nick Griffin MEP, and his former BNP Police sic spokesman Michael Barnbrook.
Blessed Titus Brandsma pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
vesper: Apparently you are looking for the NF thread. This is the Bishop Williamson thread. I am afraid I haven't the foggiest notion of your UK politics, but I certainly affirm that thuggish violence in all its forms is to be resolutely opposed.
Including in its intellectual form, as we see often applied to those who would uphold the Catholic Church's ancient and apostolic teaching concerning the death of the Son of God, in Jerusalem, at the hands of His Own people.
The bonds with the Jewish people are innumerable and ever visible. They are loved by God who is also Our God. Caiphas and Judas were the first deicide, but did they not accept that horrible burden through obedience to God, since Our Lord decended to this earth in order to be sacrificed and desired to be killed? We can perceive that God did not permit Jewish hands to be stained by His blood, yet His blood was on them and upon us all. He wished to be nailed by foreigners, ie Romans. Are we not all repetitors of deicide, that is, to hate and to kill? so who has the right to cast the first stone at the Jewish people? or even deny the anguish of Mankind in the Holocaust? Who? It is Madness!
Our Lord wished, as man, to recognise the sinners of His ancestors in his earthly geneology. Indeed, did He not come to take upon Himself the sin of man? Did Jesus not come to forgive those who put him to death, hence even Jews and Romans of Good Friday? Did He not call friend that one among Him for having sold Him, led his captors in the night? If anyone is in any doubt, I invite them to read the Holy Father's book on 'Truth and Tolerence' which will inspire certainty in the confused towards a pure Love of Christ, real Christianity and our fellow men. A book of great equilibrium and illumination.
"Caiphas and Judas were the first deicidebut did they not accept that horrible burden through obedience to God, since Our Lord decended to this earth in order to be sacrificed and desired to be killed? "
No, Anne. They did not do these things out of obedience to God, any more than Satan tempted Eve out of obedience to God, or Eve and Adam disobeyed God out of obedience to God.
Caiaphas and Judas are guilty of sin, as is Satan, as is Adam, as is Eve, precisely in *disobeying* God.
Hope this helps.
The bomfoggery concerning this issue is incredible.
@Rick
Can I assume your ignorance, 'I am afraid I haven't the foggiest notion of your UK politics', is US based?
Presumably your ignorance, also applies to the Anglo-Catholic branch of the C of E, from where Bishop Williamson crawled out from underneath their NF/BNP stone before he joined, and polluted the SSPX.
Jesus Christ was executed by the Roman occupiers of Jerusalem at the behest of a group of Jewish men whose wealth and power base he threatened with his teachings.
Was the death of the Son of God, in Jerusalem, at the hands of His Own people? A roman soldier banged the nails in, and Christ's mother, Mary the Jewess represented all of the Jewish & non-Jewish people who opposed that death penalty.
We donot have the death penalty in Europe, and the US should consider following our lead.
On the 20th November 2003,along with Cherie Blair's father Tony Booth I was at the vanguard of the march against George W Bush's visit to my home London,and I used my artistic gifts to protest poetically against murderous planning and incitement.
"SAY KNOW TO DEATH ROW,BU$H IS A MURDERER"
On the 19th February 2004 I followed Michael Horovitz onto the Bird's Nest's 'Thames Gateway' Stage in Deptford Church Street SE8 where I grew up.I dedicated my performance to this great artist,and I was thrilled when he warmly shook my hand after the event and congratulated me on my performance.
That evening Blair and Bush were the subjects of Michael Horovitz's light irreverence which turned sharply into powerful criticism as he pleaded with "Cruise-aider Blair" and his "toxic Texan confrere" to think "on T.S Elliot's prediction of the ultimate doomed wasteland your uncontrollably spiralling military glands could grind all ships of state towards"
Blessed Titus Brandsma pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
vesper:
I will leave your ugly ad hominems concerning the servant of God, His Excellency Richard Williamson, to the contemptuous silence they richly deserve.
As to your points:
V: "Jesus Christ was executed by the Roman occupiers of Jerusalem at the behest of a group of Jewish men whose wealth and power base he threatened with his teachings."
>> That is true, but it is not complete. The Author of Scripture takes a more profound view.
Acts 2:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified. [37] Now when they had heard these things, they had compunction in their heart, and said to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles: What shall we do, men and brethren? [38] But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [39] For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call."
V: Was the death of the Son of God, in Jerusalem, at the hands of His Own people?
>> Of course. God Himself says so.
Acts 2:
[22] "Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know: [23] This same being delivered up, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you by the hands of wicked men have crucified and slain."
I understand that catechesis has suffered greatly in this awful era, vespers, but it seems rather shocking that the plain words of Scripture, as taught and believed by the entire body of the faithful for 2,000 years, should somehow have escaped the notice of so many.
@Rick
I think that the Vatican must act against the odious Bishop sic Williamson and his acolytes after reading your perverted, so called 'Catholic', responses.
THIS IS SILENCE?... 'vesper:I will leave your ugly ad hominems concerning the servant of God, His Excellency Richard Williamson, to the contemptuous silence they richly deserve'... I THINK NOT
A FOCUS ON ENGLISH BIBLE TRANSLATIONS & THE NF LEADER JOHN TYNDALL WHO FOUNDED THE BNP :
John Tyndall was born in Exeter in Devon, England, on 14 July 1934. The son of the warden of St George's House, a YMCA hostel at Southwark, he grew up in London. He was related to the early English translator of the Bible, William Tyndale, his ancestors having moved to County Waterford in Ireland in the 16th century
As I said, a Latin speaking 'roman soldier banged the nails in, and Christ's mother, Mary the Jewess represented all of the Jewish & non-Jewish people who opposed that death penalty.
My name is "Vesper" , a name given to me in a big dream by Our Lady of the Assumption. In another big dream Christ said the words "Jam lucis orto sidere" to me.
I hope and pray that Pope Benedict XVI will settle our dispute in the very near future, as it is of course for him ,and not me or you to have the last word on Bishop sic Williamson
Our Lady of the Rosary ( http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2011/05/visit-to-tomb-of-blessed-john-paul-ii.html ) pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
vespers:
Since you consider the citation of Holy Scripture perverted, it were pointless to continue to address these questions with you from the standpoint of Catholic teaching.
You have rejected this.
So be it.
I pray that you will tremble before the Day, to have called the Catholic Church's Holy Scriptures and Sacred Tradition "perverted".
@Rick
Many bullies threaten who threaten hell fire, also quote the scriptures out of context, in an attempt to frighten individuals and/or the uneducated masses into submission.
Is Bishop Williamson an integral part of orthodox Catholicism, loyal to the Magisterium?
The answer is NO, he is not, and he never has been, and also in my professional opinion neither are YOU.
I am not rejecting the scriptures, but I am rejecting Bishop Williamson's perverted claim to leadership, which bears no resemblance to the leadership given to the UK & the World by this man ( PAPA RATZI http://www.thepapalvisit.org ORA PRO NOBIS! ) when he visited St Mary's University College, Twickenham in 2010, as part of his MORE THAN GOLD development programme for London's 2012 Olympic City Challenge focus.
Our Lady of the Rosary ( http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2011/05/visit-to-tomb-of-blessed-john-paul-ii.html ) pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
Yours sincerely
ROY HOBSON CInstCES1990, RICS1984, Grad Dipl QS aka "Vesper"
Mr. Hobson:
The Scriptures quoted were clear.
They were not out of context in any way, and you have not demonstrated that they were out of context in any way.
Bishop Williamson's piece is completely consistent with Scripture and Tradition, and it expresses what the Church has believed and taught from the beginning.
I have previously noted that His Excellency has also published, on other matters, statements which are not consistent with Scripture and Tradition, and I have opposed these.
I will never, please God, oppose His Excellency when his teaching comports with the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church.
I will never, please God acquiesce in the efforts of any a blowhard, slandering bully to attempt to pervert the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church.
@Rick
Here's a prayer for you, me, and 'Bishop' Williamson too.
I hope and pray that you, and Dylan Parry, whose blog this is, will both it to be acceptable in Christ our Lord:
BLESSED TITUS BRANDSMA GUILD PRAYER
God our Father, source of life and freedom, through Your Holy Spirit, you gave the Carmelite, Titus Brandsma the courage to affirm human dignity even in the midst of suffering and degrading persecution. Grant us that same spirit so that, in refusing all compromise with error we may always and everywhere give coherent witness to Your abiding presence among us. We ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen http://guildofblessedtitus.blogspot.com
Rick,
The crucial point in the teaching of Christ is the condemnation and the curing of hate.
One who permits the second death of Our Lord Jesus is the one who proclaims the right to hate the Jews and anyone who defends them. Hate is murder. It is deicide.
I understand the devotion you have have towards Williamson, an idolising dependence of this mans fallible and refutable personal views. As a Christian I have a duty to pray for you and hope that you will one day develope from your Christian foetal position into a spontaeous and generous agreement to embrace Christ fully in the evangelical counsels and to Love Humanity in the same way God does, and loves you, within a Holy alliance, a legitimate Roman Catholic Church, its teachings under the banner of Our Beloved and Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI.
Blessed Pope John Paul II, Pray for us
Saint Padre Pio of Pietralcina, Pray for us
Saint Edith Stein, Pray for us
Blessed Hermann Cohen, Pray for us
One who permits the second death of Our Lord Jesus is the one who proclaims the right to hate the Jews and anyone who defends them. Hate is murder. It is deicide.
>> Do you mean to insinuate that I hate the Jews? That Peter hates the Jews? That the Author of Scripture hates the Jews?
I understand the devotion you have have towards Williamson, an idolising dependence of this mans fallible and refutable personal views.
>> Are you sure you understand? I think you do not understand, since I have posted at least three separate times that I have opposed Bishop Williamson publicly and privately when he has published writings contrary to the Faith once delivered.
The amount of bigotry, madness, obsessiveness and hatred to be found on here almost makes you ashamed of being a Catholic.
Sadly, I can only wholeheartedly concur with the sentiment expressed by Jackie Parkes as well. Chucking cliches around, and using meaningless, incoherent terms such as 'liberals', 'so called liberals' and the rest of it, just feeds the whole negative, damaging frenzy.
The crime of deicide attributed to the Jews, both the Priests and the people, at the time of Christ until now, collectively, has been taught by the Apostles, Fathers, Doctors, Popes, Saints, and many eminent Catholic writers since the time of Christ. The Vatican II teaching on the Jews is a complete rejection and abandonment of what the Church taught for near 2000 years. You might start with Matt: 27 and then Saint John Chyrsostom's "Eight Homilies Against the Jews", Popes: Clement VIII, Innocent III, Gregory IX, Stephen III, Innocent IV, Saint Gregory the Great, Saint Gregory VII, Saint Gregory I, Saint Pius V, Clement VIII, Eugene IV, Alexander III, Adrian I, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, St Cyprian, just to name a few, all taught and warned against the "peridious and cursed Jews" or their "godlessness and disease" as St. Pius V stated, to be placed in perpetual servitude for the ultimate crime of deicide, a crime that knows no equal in its severity against God Himself. Lastly, let us review the infallible teachings of Holy Mother Church, from the Ecumenical and General Council of Florence, 1438-1445, the Bull Cantata Domino, Dz., 714, p.230 - that the Holy Roman Catholic Church believes, professes, and proclaims that...'Jews, heretics, schismatics and pagans, and even those who have shed their blood for Christ, unless they die within the bossom of the Holy Catholic Church, cannot be saved and will be lost forever. And note also that the principle propagators of "The Organized Forces of Naturalism" against Christ and His Church are Judeo/Freemasonry, which has even infiltrated the Church of Christ. In 1968, upon Italian authorities raiding the P2 logde in Rome, did find the list of over 100 Catholic Cardinals and Bishops, including the then Secretary of State, to be secretly Freemasons with their code names and initiation dates and thus incurred automatic excommunication. We see that truly as then Cardinal Ratzinger said in the past the Vatican Council II was the "French Revolution in the Church", that it was a "Counter-Syllabus", against the infallible condemnation of Bl. Pius IX, and even St. Pius X.
vespers:
Thank you, the prayer is beautiful.
Amen.
@Rick
Let's pray that the BLESSED TITUS BRANDSMA GUILD PRAYER can become common ground for the consecrated man.
@Anne
I try to be fair and reasonable when interacting with people of different faiths, and beliefs, but it is sometimes very difficult to counter zeitgeist.
I have asked my London Assembly Member for Bexley & Bromley James Cleverly ,if he has signed the petition asking David Cameron to keep his promise that 1/3 of ministers would be women by the end of his first term? www.countingwomenin.org
I'm supporting this campaign for equality, and I'd like to think that Our Lady of the Assumption, and all the Angels and Saints would support this campaign in heaven too.
Our Lady of the Assumption pray for us!
PAPA VERO ORA PRO NOBIS!
It is again no exaggeration to say that observant Jews and orthodox Christians have more in common with each other than either has in common with liberal or secular Jews on the one hand and liberal Christians on the other. Indeed, Jews who affirm the election of Israel will consider it all the more providential that Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI comes as a witness to Jewish holiness and its people. Our Holy Father told delegates of the Israeli rabbinate on March 12, "The Jewish people, who were chosen as the elected people, communicate to the whole human family knowledge of and fidelity to the one, unique, and true God."
The Holy Father stands alongside observant Jews on one side of a great divide within the Jewish people. It is just as remarkable that observant Jews have become allies of the pope against his own detractors in the Church. The Holy Father's letter to Catholic bishops on the mishandling of the Lefebvrist-bishops affair (published the same day as that meeting with the Israeli clergy) declares: "I was saddened by the fact that even Catholics who, after all, might have had a better knowledge of the situation, thought they had to attack me with open hostility. Precisely for this reason I thank all the more our Jewish friends, who quickly helped to clear up the misunderstanding and to restore the atmosphere of friendship and trust which—as in the days of Pope John Paul II—has also existed throughout my pontificate and, thank God, continues to exist."
Observant Jews whose suspicion of the Church has been honed by centuries of ill experience have trouble absorbing the odd circumstance that Providence has placed them in the same foxhole as Benedict XVI. But the crisis in Catholic–Jewish relations over the lifting of the Lefebvrist bishops’ excommunication has led to a moment of clarity. After the Holy Father’s response, there can be no doubt that the Jews have in the Holy Father, a theologian with a deep understanding of Jews’ relation to God. Jews have also learned that the pope’s opponents inside the Church are their opponents. As a simple matter of fact, the pope’s opponents now aggregate on the left; the atrophied right wing of the Church, held up as a horror story to frighten the Jews, has little remaining influence with the result that Catholics who oppose the Holy Father on the ordination of women, the Church’s claim to the Truth, and the preservation of Europe’s Christian character are the Catholics who also overwhelmingly embrace the Palestinian Arab cause.
I harbor no illusions that sweetness and light will be the lot of those of us who see the intimate connection between Israel and the Church. Stones are cast from both sides of the divide. Those who don’t mind their passions and know not the God who is LOVE will continue not only to hate, but also to incite others to hate. As far as Christians who hate Jews are concerned, were they to continue in their hate without repentance, confession, absolution and penance, will end in hell, for that’s the consequence of such a mortal sin. I’m sure that God-fearing Jews hold similar views regarding the hatemongers in their midst.
I have no more to add to this discussion. Let me finish by stating if Israel goes, so goes the Church. As I have said before
our destinies are inextricably intertwined. Destroy Israel and the Church will soon follow: our mutual survival depends on our mutual, continued existence.
Blessed Pope John Paul II, Pray for us
Saint Edit Stein, Pray for us
Padre Pio of Pietralcina, Pray for us
Blessed Hermann Cohen, Pray for us
The relationship of the Jews to God depends entirely upon the relationship of the Jews to Christ.
This is the Catholic Faith.
To deny this, to supplant this, to replace this with vague suggestions that the Jews have their own covenant apart from the New and Eternal Covenant in Jesus Christ, is damnable heresy.
@Rick
You are almost anonymous as your profile contains little or no information about you, and your blog Magisterial Fundies has no posts or comments.
Perhaps it is time for you to come out in an ID/location sense, and begin to develop your own blog in earnest.
BLESSED TITUS BRANDSMA GUILD PRAYER
God our Father, source of life and freedom, through Your Holy Spirit, you gave the Carmelite, Titus Brandsma the courage to affirm human dignity even in the midst of suffering and degrading persecution. Grant us that same spirit so that, in refusing all compromise with error we may always and everywhere give coherent witness to Your abiding presence among us. We ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen http://guildofblessedtitus.blogspot.com
I apologize for the fact that my google ID does not include my last name, vesper, but then neither does yours contain your first!
Whenever posting options allow, I use my full name.
It is Rick DeLano.
You will find that it is widely posted on the internet :-)
As for "Magisterial Fundies", it will be developed when my current project is completed.
But thanks for your interest!
@Rick
There are quite a few Rick De Lano's to be found on the internet and I'm interested to know which one you are.
I think there is only ROY HOBSON CInstCES1990, RICS1984, Grad Dipl QS aka "Vesper".
Father Finigan has kindly allowed me to post comments on his blog 'The hermeneutic of continuity', and Dylan Parry has done the same here on his blog a Reluctant Sinner. We all met up recently to take Holy Communion at Our Lady of the Rosary, Sidcup
Oh, Mr. Hobson, you may be absolutely assured that there is only one Rick DeLano on the internet, who proposes the radical idea that the magisterium of the Catholic Church is heaven-protected from binding the faithful to error in matters of faith and morals.
For this reason, we see that all advocates of the dual covenant heresy- that quintessentially modernist attempt to deprive the Jewish people of the Truth concerning Jesus Christ- are doomed to failure.
Heaven will not permit the ancient and apostolic Faith to be so perverted.
Roy: In light of your interest I have decided to post an initial, introductory outline of my blog's intended purpose here:
http://magisterialfundies.blogspot.com/2011/10/my-thanks-to-mr.html
In view of the discussion here it may be well to read the words of a wise Roman Catholic Irish priest who dedicated his life to the promotion of the Social Reign of Christ the King. He is a priest much admired by Bp. Williamson and like Bp. Williamson has he in his own lifetime had to endure the calumnious label of anti-Semite. See http://www.cfnews.org/Fahey-AntiSemitism.htm.
James Phillips
@Rick DeLano
I'm glad to see that you are starting to develop your blog Magisterial Fundies at long last.
My son Michael Roy (22) is the Graduate Adviser at St Mary's University, Twickenham, London where this Interfaith Meeting, took place on the 17th September 2010 http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/Replay-the-Visit/Watch-Again/Interfaith-Meeting-Twickenham
BLESSED TITUS BRANDSMA GUILD PRAYER
God our Father, source of life and freedom, through Your Holy Spirit, you gave the Carmelite, Titus Brandsma the courage to affirm human dignity even in the midst of suffering and degrading persecution. Grant us that same spirit so that, in refusing all compromise with error we may always and everywhere give coherent witness to Your abiding presence among us. We ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen http://guildofblessedtitus.blogspot.com
@Rick DeLano
I'm glad to see that you are starting to develop your blog Magisterial Fundies at long last.
My son Michael Roy (22) is the Graduate Adviser at St Mary's University, Twickenham, London where this Interfaith Meeting, took place on the 17th September 2010 http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/Replay-the-Visit/Watch-Again/Interfaith-Meeting-Twickenham
BLESSED TITUS BRANDSMA GUILD PRAYER
God our Father, source of life and freedom, through Your Holy Spirit, you gave the Carmelite, Titus Brandsma the courage to affirm human dignity even in the midst of suffering and degrading persecution. Grant us that same spirit so that, in refusing all compromise with error we may always and everywhere give coherent witness to Your abiding presence among us. We ask this through Christ Our Lord. Amen http://guildofblessedtitus.blogspot.com
The article "Ancestral Pride" by Bishop Williamson contained no element of hate.
Rather, it is the sound teaching of Holy Catholic Church prior to Vatican II.
In one concise stroke, the English Bishop
confronted our modernist Pope, his sell-out fratres and a cabal of lying rabbis about an unchangeable Truth.
If the Pope decides to issue another non-canonical excommunication OR if the Superior General decides to expel his Excellency from the SSPX, he will receive it in the full spirit of St. Athanasius, who resisted Pope Liberius and saved us from Arianism.
Arnold Handelman 20 October 2011 20:02 states: **** Didn't Jesus say, "forgive them father, for they know not what they do"?. If Jesus forgave his killers, isn't it wrong for a Christian not to forgive his killers. Doesn't Jesus repeatedly teach forgiveness. ****
The fact of the matter is that the sin of the Pharisees and a good number of other Jews was not one of unbelief. (cf Jas. 2;19) It has been well stated that, "Like their father the devil's their sin was a formal rejection of God himself, in the divine Person made man." It has traditionally been held that the forgiveness which Jesus spoke of from the cross was not in reference to those Jews who actually did know what they were doing, but did it anyway.
James Phillips
Arnold Handelman 20 October 2011 20:02 states: **** Didn't Jesus say, "forgive them father, for they know not what they do"?. If Jesus forgave his killers, isn't it wrong for a Christian not to forgive his killers. Doesn't Jesus repeatedly teach forgiveness. ****
The fact is that the sin of the Pharisees and a good number of other Jews was not one of unbelief. (cf Jas. 2;19) It has been well stated that, "Like their father the devil's their sin was a formal rejection of God himself, in the divine Person made man." It has traditionally been held that the forgiveness which Jesus spoke of from the cross was not in reference to those Jews who actually did know what they were doing, but did it anyway.
James Phillips
It happens too often to be an accident. Nominal Catholics assail the perennial Magisterium on Judaism and "the Jews" as "antisemitism. It would be salutary for Catholics to review what God Himself has said on the matter.
rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
mocked the messengers of God 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
despised God’s Word 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
misused the prophets 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
provoked God to wrath 2 Esdras 9:26
departed from God 2 Esdras 9:26
threw God’s law behind their backs 2 Esdras 9:26
killed the prophets, who admonished them earnestly to return to God 2 Esdras 9:26
guilty of great blasphemies 2 Esdras 9:26
forsaken the Lord Isaias 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaias 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaias 65:11
did evil Isaias 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaias 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaias 65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
they voided the Covenant Jeremias 31:31-32
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Osee 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Osee 11:2
He hates their festivities, sacrifices, and songs Amos 5:20-24
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed from the Law Malachias 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachias 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachias 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachias 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachias 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachias 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachias 2:8-12...
...
accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Apocalypse 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15
idolaters Apocalypse 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Apocalypse 3:9, 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Apocalypse 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Apocalypse 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
synagogue of Satan Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Apocalypse 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
void the commandments of God for the traditions of men Mark 7:8-9
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27
axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13
I have no desire to be unjust to Lefebvrist/Williamson crowd.
Behind your stone walls, you are all 'faith' and no charity. You are a shadow of Christianity, a mask, a foetus which has not developed into maturation. Unless you fully embrace the Legitimate Roman Catholic Church under Pope Benedict XVI you will be a spectacle of your own ruin and downfall. Just like Saint Padre Pio predicted to Lefevre when they met in the 1960s.
The choice is yours. There is still time to convert your hearts. Start today!
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